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evilmonkeys10
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First Offer or Highest Offer; Which is Accepted in Short Sale?

1) Is it important to be the first offer or the highest offer when a home is an active short sale? 

 

2) Who chooses the accepted offer in the active short sale? Seller, Bank, Agent, etc.?

 

3) Once a short sale is approved and back on the market as active, can the price be negotiated? 

 

4) Has anyone else noticed home prices increasing and the lack of good inventory?


 



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Re: First Offer or Highest Offer; Which is Accepted in Short Sale?

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Hello Im very interested in th property at 3316 sherwood ave #55 modesto ca 95350 has there been a full offer if not I would like to put a full cash offer for th property, Thank you Patricia

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evilmonkeys10
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Re: First Offer or Highest Offer; Which is Accepted in Short Sale?

I am not a real estate agent. You need to contact one. Plus, redfin says that property isnt for sale. :smileyfrustrated:

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SandyLanders
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Re: First Offer or Highest Offer; Which is Accepted in Short Sale?

1) Is it important to be the first offer or the highest offer when a home is an active short sale? 

 

2) Who chooses the accepted offer in the active short sale? Seller, Bank, Agent, etc.?

 

3) Once a short sale is approved and back on the market as active, can the price be negotiated? 

 

4) Has anyone else noticed home prices increasing and the lack of good inventory?

 

 

I BEG for the answers to these questions and NEVER EVER get a straight answer.  Here is what I speculate is close to "an" answer, but really don't know anything other than my experience that INSIDERS get the deals.  it does not matter whthere I am highest offer with CASH or a low ball....the "reason" is always different each time.  When it is illegal for "insiders" to scoop up correctly priced properties, we will see some changes and honest market priced sales.

 

#1   I am  a discouraged buyer ( 2 years of listening to lies and obfuscation by insiders--not Redfin) who has been locked out of most deals even though I am a conventional ASIS -"clesan" offer No conti ngencies and full preapproved loan from three different banks ( the unselected bank will pay me $500 cash if another bank is lower in cost for the loan)

 IMHO the answer to Question one is whoever KNOWS either the listing agent or seller gets FIRST crack at the sale.  If the seller or listing agent likes you or knows you---they "might" let you make an offer.  In our experience, the amount of  money offered ( If they "allow" you to make an offer) or the quality of the offer is not as important as WHO you know.

 

#2 IMHO Most Active Short sales by the MORTGAGE DEBTOR ("owner")  are controlled by the "owner" .  Many times the bank or loan company knows nothing about the listing.  It appears that the listing agent of these short sales has NO fiduciary duty to the mortgage company or its investors--Its like Wild West cowboys.  Why would there be a duty to the bank if they were NOT a part of the contract.  In this case--The listing agreement is between the seller---who may have not made a payment in 2 years and the LISTING agent.  A new California law in effect January 2011 - REQUIRES a DRE licensee to be involved with every short sale.  I have been both FIRST, and HIGHEST...and locked out (Pending in 2 hours), so thats where my information comes from.  Hearing excuses.  

 

In other short sales....the BANK is the customer of the listing agent .  I have never gotten that close.  All the good deals (correctly priced)  are picked up VERY quickly.  I have even had my own BUYERS agent, learn about the property from me, have them tell me they wil make an offer on my behalf ....when they stop calling and I found they were bidding AGAINST ME...through a spouse or other close family member.  Some of the "insiders" ( listing agents--bragging to each other)  talk too much thats how I know.

 

#3) I think anything can be negotiated IF AND ONLY IF ITS THROUGH AN INSIDER ( seller, listing agent , loan officer, bank employee or even government clerk).  From my experience the "rules" are made up depending who you know.  I CAN prove it...see my last comment---recent depostion and viudeo of a TOP PRODUCING CALIFORNIA LISTING AGENT who blows the whistle on this.  There are many brokers who complain about it---NO ACTION by law enforcement--In California -- YET !

THE DRE and the FBI MIGHT get pushed to investigate...but it is rare.

 

#4) Yes....they have even though most inventory is shadow inventory ( NOT LISTED FOR SALE BUT OWNED BUY THEM) by bankers who don't want  more bad paper on the books.  They are trying to extract maximum dollars in a  very bad situation caused by them-  NO or lax underwriting---still continues---especially by GSE's --FNMA etc  Aak about the HOMEPATH JOKE.  $500 down payment and forgiven DPA and NO PMI requirement.  The old test of "Can the buyer fog a mirror is still operative to determine credit worthiness.  IT IS EXTREMELY EASY TO GET A+ credit.  You can  be unemployed with no down payment and still buy a house.  I SEE THEM ALL THE TIME.  I know of two with NO DOWN PAYMENTS required.  The house is 10 feet from an ACTIVE  rail road track but that won't stop them from selling it to a naiive buyer....why do you think the seller wants out?  They were last years no down payment buyer.

 

 

Look at these two clips by JIm Klinge REALTOR and Brokler on camera complaning about short sale fraud ---DECEMBER 2011---he has plenty of examples and gives you the tricks to learn their tricks (insider tricks and traps) .

 

NIGHTLINE TV NEWS >  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqXGBCiDb9E

 

TOP SHORT SALE FRAUDS of 2011 according to THIS BROKER IN HIS OWN WORDS  AND VIDEO>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLew-ikEv0k

 

 

I have experienced the same tricks and traps of listings--- WRONG ADDRESS, ZIP CODE, name of city...I constantly see the name of a city 20 MILES away as the location of the property.  MLS DOES NOTHING about it.  I can not complain I am "only" a buyer (sucker).  You must belong to "the Association to complain about fraud--the only penalty is a "nasty" letter and  a small fine by the "association"  whose ONLY job is to market properties at the highest possible price---THEIR words to sellers --  when they try to get a listing.  HOW about the RAMPANT PHONEY PHOTOSHOP SCAMS?  Using ten year old MLS photos on new listings-- I still see it. And no photos or bad photos---no law says they have to have them.  I don't think they want to sell many of the shorts---unless it is to another insider.  It seems that the "seller' in a short sale can do whatever they want--until they lose the house to foreclosure?  My experience anyway.

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disappointed
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Re: First Offer or Highest Offer; Which is Accepted in Short Sale?

Best of luck getting an agent to give you truthful answers that contain the information you need.

 

Have been paying close attention to the market in northern CA for the last 2 years, making a few, albeit futile, offers.

 

Just  today I tried to extract how the listing agent came up with the lowball list price of $300,000 for my neighbor's house (I can and would have paid $100,000 more right now).  The house was listed 1/5/11; delisted the same day, relisted 1/8/11 as contingent no-showing the same day.  It is a short sale, with the current note balance of over $600,000.  The answer:  "it is based on the neighborhood comps".  Sure.  The lowest sq ft comp per redfin is $211.  The custom-built house is over 2800ft sq AND the lot is triple the size of any other in the neighborhood.   Last time I checked, even a more conservative $200sq ft x 2800=560,000.   And the agent put it in MLS for $300,000...for one day.   

 

I am waiting for the day when these people get stuck with their inventory because the appraisers have to use the comps they created.  Then we'll have yet another wave of foreclosures. 

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JulieS
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Re: First Offer or Highest Offer; Which is Accepted in Short Sale?

I'll answer your questions as best I can -

 

1)  With an active ss it's best to get your offer in quickly if it's a good property properly priced.    If I receive a group of offers on a ss listing I look at them and try to determine 1)  Best price 2) Best Terms - amount down, net cost to bank 3) The quality of the prequal - is it from ABC Loans or a lender that I know and recognize from my area 4) The Selling agent - do they know what they are doing and do they have a client that they think might go the distance?

Your offer should be priced according to the comps for the neighborhood because if it is accepted the bank will be sending somebody out to check values so you want to be in range.  Sometimes inexperienced agents will list a ss too low and many times those are the ones 3-5 months down the road that come back on the market because the bank won't accept the price.

 

2)  Ultimately the Seller/Owner chooses which offer to accept.  After we've gone over the offers and items 1-4 above the Seller decides which offer to select and send up to the Bank.  Then it's up to the Bank to accept it.

 

3)  If a ss is approved and comes back on the market  because the initial offer didn't fly the price can still be negotiated but it will have to go back through the ss process.  A recently approved ss can usually be purchased at that price without going back to the investor for approval.  If you bid lower then another appraisal might need to be done to establish the lower value and the investor will have to approve that lower price.  This can take a while again.

 

4)  I have noticed less quality inventory and they are moving quickly.  I sense a bit of a change in the market, and higher pricing, but am not sure if it's a blip or a trend.  

 

Hope this helps, and please don't lose faith in we Brokers - some of the replies below makes us sound bad, but most of us are good and fighting the good fight!!!  :smileyhappy:

 

Have a great day,

 

Julie S.

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Thank you everyone for responing to my post. Your experiences, thoughts, and suggests are great. I do believe that sometimes it does matters who you know. And i think a lot of people are going with the listing agent to get the home they want to buy. This way the listing agent has an incentive to turn down all other offers (higher, lower, etc) that come their way to get the full comission:  listing comission and selling comission. I've heard of a couple stories where this has happened and where it's worked too. Is this practice illegal? 

 

 

This reply is in response to "disappointed" newbie who lives in folsom. 

 

It would be interesting to see if the house actually gets approved for $300K. And from the sounds of your research and analysis the home next door to you will not sell for $300K. 

 

The short sale process is a personal matter between the home owner and the bank. But wouldn't it be nice to know everything that's going on between the two parties? There's a very interesting real estate agent in Sacramento, Elizabeth Weintraub. She post up to date information on all of her short sale listed homes online! Of course the information is only on the home she's the listing agent for but it'll give you a good idea how the short sale process works in the Sacramento area.

 

http://elizabethweintraub.com/SHORT_SALE_OFFER_STATUS/?ID=5930 It's so neat! One of the short sale homes she listed i put an offer in back in Novemeber. Over the the two month process the bank has raised the listing price twice and totallying over $60K. Of course, i dropped out of the runnings back in November because the listing price jumped $20K back than. *Hint, hint, wink, wink* I wish more real estate agents gave away free information and updates like Elizabeth.

 

You shouldn't worry that the next door neighbor will bring down the value of your home. Because the short sale list price is way below home values in your area, so there's no way the bank will allow the low ball offer. :smileyhappy:

 

 

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Re: First Offer or Highest Offer; Which is Accepted in Short Sale?

yes, I just recently submitted a cash offer on a home on Centre Court in Tracy, Ca., It took me months to find this home there is so many distressed homes out there 

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Our offer was accepted by the owner, it has not been bank approved yet thats scarry, also im worried that the bank will come back with a higher price?  Our agent told us that it would be at least 2 months