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JG1
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LA DWP Certificate of Compliance Low Flow Toilets/Showers

So I think this policy is a joke - you should be able to have whatever toilets and showerheads you can afford and want - but it seems this form that's required to be filed with the DWP is treated as a joke, as well.  I don't see any sellers installing low flow toilets or showerheads prior to close of escrow?

 

What have your experiences been with this form and process?

 

 

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STARCHY
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Re: LA DWP Certificate of Compliance Low Flow Toilets/Showers

buy a house in LA and watch it happen. the City comes out to inspect post closing. after that you can change them out if you want to waste water

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JG1
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Re: LA DWP Certificate of Compliance Low Flow Toilets/Showers

Interesting.  I've toured a lot of houses for sale, and I rarely see anything changed out.  So when does this happen in the typical transaction?

 

PS - It's not a matter of "wasting" water, it's a matter of having enough flow to get the job at hand done.

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Re: LA DWP Certificate of Compliance Low Flow Toilets/Showers

Retrofitting must occur before the close of escrow. The latest generation of toilets and showerheads perform very well. I believe Toto has the largest ballpass and flow rate for a toilet. BTW you must have a low flow showerhead, but there is no law/ordinance that limits how many showerheads you can install in a shower. Funny, but true.

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Re: LA DWP Certificate of Compliance Low Flow Toilets/Showers

 


JG1 wrote:

Interesting.  I've toured a lot of houses for sale, and I rarely see anything changed out.  So when does this happen in the typical transaction?

 

PS - It's not a matter of "wasting" water, it's a matter of having enough flow to get the job at hand done.


 

 

if you are not using low flo toilets you ARE wasting water - a LOT of water.... and it aint cheap.

 

here is a cool product/system for water conservation I just heard about:

http://www.freeflowater.com/

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JG1
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Re: LA DWP Certificate of Compliance Low Flow Toilets/Showers

Thanks, Starchy.   I am just thinking of these toilets in Europe, where you end up having to flush two or three times to get the job done (or take a longer shower because of not enough water pressure/flow) - by the time that happens, are you really saving any water?

 

Perhaps I am behind on the low-flow technology and need to get up to speed.

 

But I still don't see these toilets being changed out prior to sale (why wait until right at the end of escrow to do it?).  What year would a toilet or shower head have to have been installed to be a safe bet to already be low flow?  (which might explain why some don't need changing out).

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Re: LA DWP Certificate of Compliance Low Flow Toilets/Showers

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most/many of the lo flo toilets can be cheap - they meet the requirement but they can be all plastic parts. Our house had three new cheap ones and they all work fine. after one of ours cracked we bought a Toto Drake for under $250 (?) and it works fine.

 

but I'm with you on the shower - I'll pay the bill for that for sure and just put the lo flo back on when/if I sell.

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Re: LA DWP Certificate of Compliance Low Flow Toilets/Showers

 

Wasn't there a time when the City offered low-flow type toilets for the asking?

 

 

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Re: LA DWP Certificate of Compliance Low Flow Toilets/Showers

I think low-flow toilets are a joke - if you end up flushing several times to wash away waste, how are you saving water?  Going from 3.5L to 1.6L is a huge reduction - maybe 2.5L I could get on board with.  And have we saved any water?  Seems like my water bills keep going up.  Funny, I was doing some research on fixing my toilet yesterday and came across this article which tells you how to make your low-flow toilet release more water by moving the floater down the chain:

http://www.hammerzone.com/archives/bath/fixt_repair/toilet/flush_valve/flapper.htm

 

 

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Re: LA DWP Certificate of Compliance Low Flow Toilets/Showers

well they certainly save water on the uhm, lighter loads...

water is not going to get any cheaper thats for sure (?)