08-07-2011 10:29 AM
I'm not so sure that our main focus should be on "recovery" if it means more stimulus, more spending on illegals and more debt.
The longer the US goes without taking its medicine, the worst tasting that medicine will be.
No matter what the US does (aside from creating hyper-inflation, which just might be their MO), there isn't much they can do to help the housing market.
08-07-2011 12:40 PM
GEAH you are such a good example of reasonableness and fair-play for the rest of the forum. Maybe you should give us all etiquette lessons.
Digo, I don't start things, but I will respond in kind.
So, yes, if people would not throw the first stone, the forum would be much better. However, I will not tolerate stones thrown at me.
08-07-2011 01:31 PM
So you see no disconnect between telling Matt how to manage the forums and calling other posters fools?
One could try to lead by example.
No disconnect at all.
If the forums were managed as I have suggested, there would be no one addressing me in a provocative manner, and I would have no need to respond in kind. Thread hijackers are a repeating problem. Simply being passive will not stop the provocateers from causing problems. In fact, it encourages them.
I would prefer a well-moderated and managed forum. Lacking that, I will deal with the forum as it is currently managed, while lobbying for improvements.
08-07-2011 02:55 PM
You and contractor both need to use your noodles. I won't bother to respond to you individually, as you are pretty much the same person. What are there, like 300 million plus people in the us? Let's say we take the 15 million figure that contractor threw out. So we have 150 million Americans that pay no income taxes and 15 million illegal immigrants that don't pay income taxes. Now... I personally think that we shouldn't tax poor people any more than they pay for sales tax, gas tax, etc. But you guys do! So this is what I don't get... Why do you even bother to mention the 15 million when that problem is like a fly on the back of the 150 million pound elephant? Why pick on the illegal immigrants when they are such a small problem?
Do you understand the concept of "illegal"? I know you went to college and everything, but I guess that doesn't mean they taught you a single useful thing.
Illegal aliens are breaking the law. Poor Americans who do not pay taxes are not breaking the law.
Perhaps you'll need to enroll into a doctorate program to understand that distinction.
I doubt either you or contractor would go and work in Central California picking fruit and vegetables all day...so stop your rants.
Also, blame your poor tax paying Americans (starting from home owners who hire these cheap gardeners instead of other "hardworking tax paying Americans") for giving these illegals a job.
So who's breaking the law hear again?
You apparently have not been reading the previous posts. I don't have a problem if we allow a guest worker program, just not an illegal one. As previously stated, I pay my American gardener $30.00 hour. So to answer your question, the illegals are breaking the law and Americans that hire them are too.
Granted but do you think you are the norm or the exception?
08-07-2011 02:57 PM
It's none the US business what others do to each other in their own country...do you see other countries telling Americans what to do?
If Syria wasn't a US puppet and Gaddafi's oil and strategic location was of no concern of the US, no one would care on iota...the irony of the US telling others that they are kiling people...never mind the complete overthrow and intentional mess we've made in Iraq and the mass murder we've caused there.....but we're the US...everything is justified right?
If you're walking down the street and you see some guy just beating the crap out of a woman. Do you just walk by and say its none of your business? How about when there are mass murderers killing in our country, is it none of our business because they didn't target you or your family members, or do we set up laws and a police system to prevent it/catch them?
How about the holocaust, or Armenian genocide, if those were going on today, would it be none of our business? I'd like to think we're better than that, and people have the geniune intention to help when mass atrocities are being committed. I KNOW we've gotten involved in places we never should have, and we've spilled a lot of blood we should not have, but just because we've done stupid things doesn't mean we should ignore mass atrocities.
That's not the point....the point is no other country tells the US what to do but the US feels entitled to tell others what do to. Who was telling Americans back in the '60's about segregation and racism? Anyone?
What right do Americans have to tell Syrians and Libyans how to run their country? Oh that's right...we installed puppet regimes that work for us, are paid by us, and give us their resources...