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10-18-2011 11:29 AM - edited 10-18-2011 12:33 PM
Funny.. when the LATimes was fishing for quotes from homeowners wanting to "stand pat" The only complaint was from STARCHY of all people. It's not investigative reporting, it's putting a face/voice to an issue that is already out there.
http://forums.redfin.com/t5/Los-Angeles/Standing-P
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10-18-2011 11:59 AM - last edited on 10-19-2011 11:25 AM by RachaelB
stop_bailouts wrote:
Oh, it's a "feature", so that means you don't have to be honest, then? Silly me - here I was thinking good journalism entailed researching a topic and then writing an article, not writing the article and then looking for quotes to back up what you already concluded. What if the interviews don't go the way you expected them to? I guess you just make something up? Wouldn't want to make the editor angry now, would we?
I'm curious - in what section of the newspaper do the "features" appear, and how are they differentiated from "regular" articles? And where does the disclaimer appear letting the readers know that the story was concocted ahead of time and isn't to be taken seriously?
It's not inherently honest or dishonest. It's about telling a particular story.
If you think a story on a Latino hockey player will be interesting, you put out feelers for Latino hockey players. It doesn't mean there aren't white hockey players.
If you think a story about someone who commutes a long way to work will be interesting, you try to find someone who drives 100 miles to work. It doesn't discount the existence of people who drive 3 miles to work.
As for the difference between a news story and a feature story, maybe this will help
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feature_story
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10-18-2011 12:01 PM
987s wrote:Funny.. when the LATimes was fishing for quotes from homeowners wanting to "stand pat" The only complaint was from Starchy of all people. It's not investigative reporting, it's putting a face/voice to an issue that is already out there.
http://forums.redfin.com/t5/Los-Angeles/Standing-P
at/td-p/218468
yeah - that is intersting isn't it
by the way "STARCHY" is in all caps
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10-19-2011 01:00 AM
GEAH wrote:
stop_bailouts wrote:Oh, it's a "feature", so that means you don't have to be honest, then? Silly me - here I was thinking good journalism entailed researching a topic and then writing an article, not writing the article and then looking for quotes to back up what you already concluded. What if the interviews don't go the way you expected them to? I guess you just make something up? Wouldn't want to make the editor angry now, would we?
I'm curious - in what section of the newspaper do the "features" appear, and how are they differentiated from "regular" articles? And where does the disclaimer appear letting the readers know that the story was concocted ahead of time and isn't to be taken seriously?
It's not inherently honest or dishonest. It's about telling a particular story.
If you think a story on a Latino hockey player will be interesting, you put out feelers for Latino hockey players. It doesn't mean there aren't white hockey players.
If you think a story about someone who commutes a long way to work will be interesting, you try to find someone who drives 100 miles to work. It doesn't discount the existence of people who drive 3 miles to work.
Bad analogy. "Latino hockey players" is a TOPIC. "Commuting long distances" is a TOPIC. Those are not conclusions. I agree - if you want to do a story about boomerang buyers, you put out feelers for boomerang buyers. That is not the point of contention. The point of contention is the pronouncement that it will be "a hopeful piece, about redemption and recovery". How do they know the situation is hopeful and redeeming if they haven't even found the people they're going to talk to yet?
A better analogy would be if you announced that you were going to write a story about how Latino hockey players commit more fouls than white hockey players, except that you hadn't actually done any research yet to ascertain whether that was even true.
Get it yet?
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10-19-2011 01:15 AM - last edited on 10-19-2011 11:31 AM by RachaelB
987s wrote:Funny.. when the LATimes was fishing for quotes from homeowners wanting to "stand pat" The only complaint was from STARCHYof all people. It's not investigative reporting, it's putting a face/voice to an issue that is already out there.
http://forums.redfin.com/t5/Los-Angeles/Standing-P
at/td-p/218468
How is that the same thing at all? This is the first post in that thread:
Hey everyone, it's me Glenn Kelman, Redfin CEO, writing in with one more question.
Is there anyone who has the money to buy a house but is instead standing pat? If so, would you be willing to talk to the LA Times in the next 24 hours? We'd love to help the writer out; he's a good guy.
All it says is that they want to interview people who are standing pat. I don't see them announcing in advance what the spin will be, like they did in THIS thread.
I certainly understand how some would complain about it, since it sounds vaguely bearish, but that doesn't prove anything.
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10-19-2011 01:38 AM - last edited on 10-19-2011 11:33 AM by RachaelB
stop_bailouts wrote:
987s wrote:Funny.. when the LATimes was fishing for quotes from homeowners wanting to "stand pat" The only complaint was from STARCHYof all people. It's not investigative reporting, it's putting a face/voice to an issue that is already out there.
http://forums.redfin.com/t5/Los-Angeles/Standing-P
at/td-p/218468
How is that the same thing at all? This is the first post in that thread:
Hey everyone, it's me Glenn Kelman, Redfin CEO, writing in with one more question.
Is there anyone who has the money to buy a house but is instead standing pat? If so, would you be willing to talk to the LA Times in the next 24 hours? We'd love to help the writer out; he's a good guy.
All it says is that they want to interview people who are standing pat. I don't see them announcing in advance what the spin will be, like they did in THIS thread.
I certainly understand how somewould complain about it, since it sounds vaguely bearish, but that doesn't prove anything.
Hey spot_bailouts,
What are you talking about?
This thread is about:
"I was writing because the WSJ is looking for boomerang buyers, folks whose credit was damaged because of a foreclosure or short sale, but are now back in the game to buy a home."
These people have already abrogated their signed agreement. They don't deserve/need any further assistance.
I am confused...it does not seem like you are staying on topic...
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10-19-2011 02:57 AM
Well then shouldn't you be complaining about 987s, since he is the one who introduced the "off topic" subject?
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10-19-2011 10:05 AM
Oh...okay.
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10-19-2011 11:25 AM - last edited on 10-19-2011 11:26 AM by RachaelB
GEAH wrote:
As for the difference between a news story and a feature story, maybe this will help
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feature_story
Actually, that link says there are few hard boundaries between the two. All it says is that a feature uses a more narrative approach. It doesn't say ANYTHING about the author of a feature drawing his conclusions before the research is done. Maybe YOU'RE the one who is unable to understand what a feature is.
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10-19-2011 04:44 PM
I just like Nick Timiraos, the WSJ writer. No affiliation otherwise.
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