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Andrei_K
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Why I am not buying

Hi everybody. In my opinion, there are several reasons why home prices will keep going down for at least another 6-9 months in the Silicon Vallye.

The first is the growth of unemployment in the Bay Area. In Santa Clara country the rate of unemployment is currently about 10%, and in San Mateo - about 6.7%. These are record numbers since the early 1980s and they are projected to go up for at least 9 months, so we will most likely surpass the eightees. In contrast to other CA counties, where the falling home prices have been more closely linked to the growing volumes of foreclosures, the changes in home prices in the Silicon Valley have historically been closely linked to the levels of unemployment. Just imagine, for example, how further down Palo Alto prices would go within the next year or two if the half of all venture capital firms located there would get out of business during the 2009/10 period, as projected by some analysts. (I don't know if that is going to happen, but the chances are good).

Second, there is a huge amount of "hidden" foreclosures coming out to the market after the State of California and many large lenders end let their foreclosure moratoriums this spring/summer. There are plenty of articles elsewhere about this. According to WSJ, J.P. Morgan Chase & Co., Wells Fargo & Co., Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac all say they have increased foreclosure activity in recent weeks.

shadow inventory

 

 

 Third, there is a huge wave of alt-A mortgage rate resets scheduled for this summer. Given the current economic environment, this will inevitably create another big wave of foreclosures down the road.

Rate Reset Schedule

Fourth, despite historically very low interest rates, borrowing is still a problem, unless you have a stable, well-paying job and ready to put down at least 20% cash on the house price.

Finally, if you want to see some forecasts about price trends in the Bay Area, check, for example, these modest assessments in Money Magazine: http://money.cnn.com/magazines/moneymag/moneymag_realestate/2009/snapshots/31.html. According to their sources, a year from now housing prices are expected to fall by another 10% in SF and 4.7% in San Jose.

 

There are some grimmer forecasts circulated among the Wall Street analysts.  Ronald Temple, for example, who co-director of research at Lazard Asset Management, expects home prices to fall 22% to 27% from their January levels. More than 2.1 million homes will be lost this year because borrowers can't meet their loan payments, up from about 1.7 million in 2008, according to Moody's Economy.com.

 

Any thoughts about this?

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CrazyMan
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Re: Why I am not buying

Good post.

 

I disagree on the timeline. I can't forsee prices leveling off or increasing until atleast 2012-13. That of course assumes the economy recovers; job creation and small businesses start to thrive again.

 

If we actually fall into a depression like era, all bets are off. Home prices will plummit.

 

Also, I'm in the same boat. I don't really mind saying here, but I have well over 200K liquid and a fica of over 800. I won't be touching a home for a number of years,  as I see nothing but downward pressure on the market, and IMO there will be for some time to come.

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Master
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Re: Why I am not buying

Don't youwatch the news? Economy already started to recover! Everybody should start buying houses now! RE prices can go only up, Bernanke says so! hahahaha Let the suckers catch the knife
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snappypants
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I have a new chant we should all sing to the Real Estate Agents who keep trying to hype up the so-called current frothy 'bidding frenzies' that are supposedly flooding the market, for instance, see the recent repartee on Knife Catchers and Activerain where one RA in particular has been peddling the theory of 'mobbed' open houses, furious bidding wars, and one instance of a listing recieving over 60 offers....

 

"Now you see it, now you don't.  Now you see it AGAIN!"

 

In the past two weeks more than five listings that I was watching went 'off list' and I was told they were all 'pending' and no longer available.

But, miraculously this evening they have all been quietly re-listed.

 

"Now you see it, now you don't.  Now you see it AGAIN!"

 

See also, another thread on this forum where one poster said, very wisely, that whenever a bidding 'war' erupts he/she backs out because those eager beaver bidders are the very type of people who are now underwater.

 

Sit back, enjoy a tall lemonade, and watch the revolving real estate listing door spin round and round.

 

Until there is another free and easy lending vehicle and all of my friends are employed again prices are not going anywhere other than down.

 

 

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Andrei_K
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Re: Why I am not buying

Regarding the timeline, 6-9 months is a very SHORT-TERM forecast. The prices will most likely be falling beyond that. And here is another big argument in favor of that. Between 2000 and 2007, the American households have doubled their outstanding debt (to $13.8 trillion) and after that in 2008 lost about 20% ($13 trillion) of their total wealth. The latter includes one fifth ($600 billion) of all 401-Ks. These numbers are mind-boggling and unprecedented in post-war history. Subsequently, the consumers are expected to reduce their spending to annual rates of 2% to 2.5% over the next years from 3.5% in the decade that ended in 2007. The process has already started (see the pic).This is truly a techtonic shift, considering the fact that consumer spending propels three quarters of this country's economic activity.    

 

 

I am conservative in my assessment of the timeline because I feel a little nauseous, like in the rollercoaster, from the staggering amounts of liquidity the White House and the Fed are infusing into the economy. These guys are great. For the sake of reviving the economic growth, they are trying to reverse the inevitable slowdown in consumer spending and to push responsible buyers, like myself, to spend their savings faster - in anticipation of forthcoming high inflation and very high interest rates. 

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Andrei_K
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Re: Why I am not buying

Notwithstanding what agents are telling you, here is what's really happening with foreclosures right now in CA and elsewhere (from today's WSJ). This will inevitably drag the prices further down:

 

U.S. Foreclosures Jumped in March

 

Completed U.S. foreclosures jumped 44% in March to another record high, according to foreclosure-listing service ForeclosureS.com. The surge to 175,199 comes just two months after the firm said foreclosures fell harply in January, leading it to speculate the market might be seeing a
turnaround. The climb also comes amid rapidly rising unemployment and continued ightness in the credit markets, which makes it tough for consumers to efinance existing loans. March was the first month in which government-backed enders, including Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac lifted temporary halts on foreclosures.  

 

Pre-foreclosure filings, which are an indicator of future ompleted foreclosures, rose 5.8% from February to 225,131. The first quarter aw 604,590 pre-foreclosure filings, up 15% from the fourth quarter and 17% rom a year earlier.

 

California, which is considered the epicenter of the housing crisis and has been one of the hardest-hit markets, saw foreclosures soar 59% last month. The total is still down from September, when the state's index peaked and state legislature adopted a law to slow foreclosures.

 

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EclipseAgent
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Re: Why I am not buying

My Realtor is not only an Agent but an avid market follower. He knows pipeline news and is upfront about it, and tells me to go lower and ASK for the difference of projected appreciation on a house with no bids..

 

I couldn't ask for a better realtor.. I too play the market a bit.. but follow the real estate market very closely .. 

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estudientes
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Re: Why I am not buying

Here is a story from another source:


‘Record’ Foreclosure Volume in March:

 

These delays, rather than current foreclosure prevention programs, likely drove decreased real estate-owned activity, and therefore “it’s very likely that we’ll see the number of REOs increase again now that most of the moratoria have been lifted,” Saccacio said. Housing demand, especially for bank-owned properties seen as bargains, appears to be on the rise, “but it’s unlikely that this increased demand will be enough to offset the growing number of foreclosures in the pipeline, accelerated by rising unemployment rates.”

http://www.housingwire.com/2009/04/16/record-foreclosure-volume-in-march-report/

 

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Lapoiman
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Yeah, I agree. I saw the monkey business going on in the market wonderfully described by another poster as "an active-pending-active-pending circle jerk." I have seen RAs saying such ridiculous B.S.

 

I have no sense of urgency to buy right this minute. If something that I like and can afford comes along tomorrow, then maybe I'll make an offer, but I certainly won't be upset if the offer is rejected. Buyers will be in the driver's seat in an ever-increasing way in the months, and quite probably years, to come.