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Newhouse4me
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What's a good offer on a short sale?

Ok, so I found a home I love.

It is small, only 1050sq ft but I need small since I am disabled and need little to manage.

But, it's a short sale and I am not familiar with process or what to offer.

They are asking 128k and comps are higher in neighborhood but those home have another bathroom and much more sq feet.

I was thinking of putting 121k offer on it but I am affraid it will take forever to get approval/denial and might lose to higher bid. Even though there are NO other bids.

Suggestions ??

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mediaguru
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Re: What's a good offer on a short sale?

1) If the other home have more sq. ft., additional rooms, etc., then they are not comps.  Comp means "comparable" meaning as close as possible to being identical.

 

2) If it were me, I would just offer what their asking price is and go from there. The thing I'm noticing is that, more often than not, in short sales the the sellers list BELOW fair market value because they can list it at anything they want (to draw interest and offers) knowing that (a) they don't stand to gain or lose anything in the transaction; (b) the bank will get the final say in what price they will accept anyway.

 

I offered about 5% below a short sale's asking price and the bank came back and said they wanted even MORE than the original "bank approved" asking price.

 

 

So, I don't know much about your property but I doubt the bank will budge on that list price (if it's even approved in the first place), and they may even want more than it's already listed at.  You won't know until you make an offer.  And once your offer is "accepted", it's still not really accepted (just because the seller accepts it does not mean their lender will)

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Newhouse4me
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Re: What's a good offer on a short sale?

Thank you sooo much for your reply.

I too, agree about the comps issue....

Any who, just found out since so far under market price, that if I dont offer the listing price, the bank will auto reject. So since I am comfortable with the asking price, I will and get this all over with.

 

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norcalnative
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Re: What's a good offer on a short sale?

The difference between 128 and 121K is so stupidly low and has no bearing on the loan costs etc that doing so would simply indicate to the bank and the RE agent handling the property that your not serious and just going to jerk their chain over a couple thousand bucks on a 100+K property. If there are no other properties in the area that are listed that low and given the banks are clearly just looking to get it off the books if they wanted big money they would listing it nearly the same as the larger more valuble properties to start with.

 

Offer 128K and get into contract then if it needs safety related things push the bank hard for some credit back. But offering 121 for a place listed for 128 if I were the seller I wouldn't even respond to your offer your wasting my time over $7000

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Sonal_Basu
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Re: What's a good offer on a short sale?

Before you move forward to making an offer on a short sale, you need to get some key pieces of information so that you can make proper decision.  This could be a long term commitment so transparancy is very inportant.

 

Short sale buyers across the country are singing the blues right along with you. Every short sale is different and as much depends on the lender as it does on the listing agent. Some listing agents outsource their short sale negotiations to a third party, which can often delay a response.

 

Qualify Your Short Sale Before Writing the Offer

Before you decide to buy a short sale home, ask your agent to do a little groundwork first. Some of the things your agent might do are:

 

  • Examine the Comparable Sales

    Many banks will discount the price a little bit from market value, but to get an acceptance, offers should be reasonable and close to the comps.

     

  • Check Out the Short Sale Listing Agent's Track Record

    If the listing agent has very few short sale listings and has little experience actually closing a short sale, your chances of offer acceptance may be slim.

     

  • Ask How Many Short Sale Offers Have Been Submitted

    While the listing agent may refuse to disclose the offer prices, the agent should let your agent know how many offers have been received. If there are multiple short sale offers, you may need to offer more than list price.

     

  • Find Out if the Sellers' Short Sale Package is Complete

    Bank negotiators will not process a file if the sellers' short sale package is incomplete. That file will go to the bottom of the pile if it's missing paperwork that the bank requires.

     

  • Get the Name and Number of Lenders

    More than one lender might mean the file will take longer to close. Some junior lenders are demanding unsecured prom notes from the seller or more money than usual from the first lender. Also, some lenders will consider only the first offer. If you are not the first offer, your offer may fall by the wayside.

 

How Long Do Short Sales Take?

This is the million-dollar question. I closed one Sacramento short sale in 67 days from the date I listed the property to the date it closed. That lender, which was Citi Mortgage, wanted to see every offer (which was very unusual), and we had received a dozen. Some Bank of America short sales, believe or not, can get approval in 3 weeks. Some Wachovia short sale can turnaround in 24-hours.

Other lenders are so swamped with short sale submissions that its employees can't respond in timely manner. What once took two months can easily take four months.

The short sale process, from submission to short sale approval, is generally as follows:

 

  • Submission of offer and complete short sale package from the seller.
  • Bank acknowledges receipt -- 10 to 30 days.
  • Bank orders a BPO or appraisal -- 30 to 60 days.
  • File is reviewed -- 30 to 60 days.
  • Negotiator is assigned -- 30 to 60 days.
  • Level II negotiator may be assigned -- 30 to 90 days.
  • File is approved or rejected -- 30 to 120 days.

If you're running past 120 days, it's possible that the listing agent or a third-party negotiator is not on the ball and is lax about calling the bank. Calling the bank means waiting on hold anywhere from 10 minutes to an hour or longer.

Or, a lengthy short sale period can also mean the bank has internal problems, not enough staff or has lost the file a few times, prompting the listing agent to resend the package over and over.

It can also mean that the appraisal is substantially higher than your offer, and the listing agent is building a case for a new appraiser.

Unfortunately, you can't always avoid problems on a short sale. Patience is key. You'll most likely eventually get short sale approval. Threatening to walk away means nothing to the bank. Your best bet is to stick it out and wait, providing you truly want the home. 

Sonal B
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ptiemann
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Re: What's a good offer on a short sale?


norcalnative wrote:

The difference between 128 and 121K is so stupidly low and has no bearing on the loan costs etc that doing so would simply indicate to the bank and the RE agent handling the property that your not serious and just going to jerk their chain over a couple thousand bucks on a 100+K property. If there are no other properties in the area that are listed that low and given the banks are clearly just looking to get it off the books if they wanted big money they would listing it nearly the same as the larger more valuble properties to start with.

 

Offer 128K and get into contract then if it needs safety related things push the bank hard for some credit back. But offering 121 for a place listed for 128 if I were the seller I wouldn't even respond to your offer your wasting my time over $7000


 

Maybe he is in Detroit and $128k is actually a high price. I have no other explanation.

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netman99
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Re: What's a good offer on a short sale?

Good info.

 

Thanks.

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Siccished
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Re: What's a good offer on a short sale?

I agree with some of the guys above.

I just got into contract on a short sale in the bay area of CA.

 

List price 250k

Contract price 220k, no reductions

The only actual comp in the area sold for around 185k cash, which needed work.

Alternate comps were in the 215-265k

 

In this market I was comfortable making offers knowing that I was good on paper (20% down & ready to buy).

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Dukey
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Re: What's a good offer on a short sale?

Short sale is not like regular sale where the seller can set the price.  It's the bank who accepts the price and this is where it gets complicated with how many liens holders with 2 or more bank lien holders.  One can offer the asking price and the bank balks back not to mention the 2nd/3rd lien holders block the sale unless they're made "whole" with side payment via escrow.

 

Good Luck

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Lysistrata
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Re: What's a good offer on a short sale?


norcalnative wrote:

The difference between 128 and 121K is so stupidly low and has no bearing on the loan costs etc that doing so would simply indicate to the bank and the RE agent handling the property that your not serious and just going to jerk their chain over a couple thousand bucks on a 100+K property. If there are no other properties in the area that are listed that low and given the banks are clearly just looking to get it off the books if they wanted big money they would listing it nearly the same as the larger more valuble properties to start with.

 

Offer 128K and get into contract then if it needs safety related things push the bank hard for some credit back. But offering 121 for a place listed for 128 if I were the seller I wouldn't even respond to your offer your wasting my time over $7000


There's no reason to be rude about it.  Seven thousand dollars on a $128k home is like $40k on a $725k home.  In most of the country it's not unusual to haggle over  less than $10k.