Asians are minorities in most other parts of this great immigrant nation of ours.
Are you suggesting white kids should only go to predominately white schools?
does it say that they actually loved it that way or given a choice they'd have preferred not to be in minority? Stop political posturing- this great immigrant nation of ours., you are not running for office, are you?
i am suggesting that white kids are better served by ethnically diverse schools vs. MSJH.
but your ethnic diversity arguments don't leave culinary sphere nonetheless (+ something you see outside of your window whether from home or car). That's why I conclude you only experienced that, not ethnic diversity.
@lexa, Mission has 17.7% white students, and 78.9% asian students. To make the argument easier, let's say that asian student body is evenly split between Chinese and Indians. A gross simplification, but many people here seem to think Asia has only 2 countries: China and India.
That makes about 20% white, 40% Chinese and 40% Indian.
Tell me why that is not diverse?
Again, diverse does not mean United Nations, that every race and every country are represented. They just mean multiple races and nationalities, in significant numbers.
1. how would you tweak the racial composition to fit your definitlion of diversity?
@lexa, Mission has 17.7% white students, and 78.9% asian students. To make the argument easier, let's say that asian student body is evenly split between Chinese and Indians. A gross simplification, but many people here seem to think Asia has only 2 countries: China and India.
That makes about 20% white, 40% Chinese and 40% Indian.
Tell me why that is not diverse?
It is not diverse for 2 reasons:
1) By your logic, we could even say a 100% caucasian school is "diverse", because some students come from Irish ancestors, while others come from German, and others French or Dutch ancestry. Guess what? Those countries all have very unique cultures, and yet they are all clumped together as a basic "European" group because there are also many similarities. The same can be said for many Asian cultures. No, they are not all the same, but there are similarities -- shared religions and philosophies, shared cultural traditions, similar or overlapping languages, family structure and social priorities or conventions, etc.
2) Representation of 2-3 cultures is not really "diversity"; if you want to be technical, any school that has more than one type of person is "diverse". Technically, any school that is co-ed (boys and girls) is "diverse" according to this strict definition. So the only type of school I can think of that isn't "diverse" (according to your rules) is a Japanese all-girls school containing 100% female Japanese nationals of the same socio-economic status.
However, if you are going to describe a school as "diverse" that generally means there is a system in which students will encounter, perhaps even be challenged by, cultures and mindsets and ideas outside of their own realm of experience. As already noted, there is a lot of overlap in Asian cultures -- we can see this in careers/professions and the proportion of Indians or Chinese that choose certain career paths (I'm not going to get into that right now because getting the exact numbers will take too much time, but they are out there, representing the percentage who decide to become doctors or engineers, for example.) A lot of this also has to do with SES, so when you have a school that has limited ethnic/cultural diversity, and then you combine that with even less socioeconomic diversity, what you have is a more or less homogeneous bubble.
The high school I attended has the following breakdown: 50% Black, 20% White, 20% Asian, and 10% Hispanic; I would consider this pretty diverse (especially because there is diversity within each of those subgroups -- the Asians are mostly Korean but also lots of Chinese; the Black are African American but also immigrants from various African countries, as well as the caribbean; Hispanics are from Mexico and many Central and South American countries)
Meanwhile, I would NOT describe the college I attended as "diverse": 77% White, 8% Black, 5% Asian, 3% Hispanic, 0% American Indian / Alaskan Native, 4% non-resident alien (okay, not sure how this is an "ethnic group"), 2% race/ethnicity unknown
When a school (like your example) only represents half of the 4 major US Census Bureau subgroups, it's hard to make an argument that it is "diverse." Even if the cafeteria serves excellent preparations of a variety of jasmine and basmati rices!
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mediaguru wrote:
"And while Michigan is not top of my list (Seattle, Maryland, Washington, DC, maybe Colorado would be on my list), let me put it this way: I would sooner live in Michigan for that price than spend $1 mil to live in Cupertino."
"If it gets to the point where my only choice is to spend $1 mil just to live in somewhere as bland as Cupertino, then I will gladly pull up my anchor and move to another state."
i agree with mediaguru, there are much better values in the US than the bay area with comparable amenities, if you are tied down by a job, then you are stuck living in the bay area for a while, but if you are retired or can relocate the job with ease, east side suburbs of seattle like kirkland, redmond, and bellevue (large asian population if that's your cup of tea) are excellent alternatives, many areas surpass marin county in terms of lush scenary and still the culture is vibrant and diverse (but not lopsided like in cupertino), without the hefty price tag, i know when i retire, i will be seriously looking into selling my hopefully still overpriced bay area houses and buy an undervalued house in the east side seattle area, for a typical million dollar rancher in cupertino, you can be living like a king on mercer island
@lexa, Mission has 17.7% white students, and 78.9% asian students. To make the argument easier, let's say that asian student body is evenly split between Chinese and Indians. A gross simplification, but many people here seem to think Asia has only 2 countries: China and India.
That makes about 20% white, 40% Chinese and 40% Indian.
Tell me why that is not diverse?
Again, diverse does not mean United Nations, that every race and every country are represented. They just mean multiple races and nationalities, in significant numbers.
1. how would you tweak the racial composition to fit your definitlion of diversity?
there are fewer Indians vs. Chinese in Mission, not 50/50%, more like 30/70.
i don't want to argue what is diversity # should be or whether being with mostly indian and chinese students in mostly still white country means ethnic diversity in that country, however we can agree that whites are in utter minority there (5% in MSJE and 13% in MSJH).
now, if you'd argue that being in minority in school is an universally good position, then we can agree to disagree and end it right here.
Seattle? Really? I go there once every three months..cloudy, cloudy, rain rain rain...even in the summer!
And Seattle is not much cheaper either
i have been there ~10 times, sometimes sunny but mostly overcast or light rain, heavy rain not even every week.
beautiful green state vs. golden one here.
RE is ~2 times cheaper there, apples to apples, i.e. 2500-3000 sf house on 15-40K sf lot within 15 min drive from MSFT (or such) in good school district and 30 min drive from downtown Seattle would cost you ~500-700K. The same in SFBA? 1-2.2M
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4rent wrote:
Seattle? Really? I go there once every three months..cloudy, cloudy, rain rain rain...even in the summer!
And Seattle is not much cheaper either
plenty of rainfall actually is vital to the lush landscape of the pacific NW, so it really depends how you appreciate nature at work, some people like me who don't really mind overcast weather, another big plus is the earthquake danger is much diminished
and no seattle is not cheap if you mean by KS standard, but show me a cupertino house at 1 million, i can show you a comparable belleuve house at half price, with same low crime rate, large asian population, and excellent school
