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BigManny
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Registered: 01-20-2010
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More handouts for irresponsible buyers

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/deal-closer-u-plan-mortgage-155010367.html

 

While there is question about the moral hazard issue in this deal, it would be interesting to see its effect on home prices...

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Sonal_Basu
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Registered: 07-31-2010
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Re: More handouts for irresponsible buyers

While I see your point of view, I also meet many homeowners who are in genuine hardship due to loss of jobs or personal problems.  I think this could help those few who really need it.

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BayAreaLifer
Posts: 164
Registered: 08-24-2011

Re: More handouts for irresponsible buyers

I think everyone here would agree that we want to help those who truly bought a house 3-4 times the size of their income, put 20% down, and didn't do anything irresponsible such as taking out a HELOC for a non-life threatening emergency.

 

But it sounds like this is going to help all the irresponsible people as well.

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tjh
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Re: More handouts for irresponsible buyers


Sonal_Basu wrote:

While I see your point of view, I also meet many homeowners who are in genuine hardship due to loss of jobs or personal problems.  I think this could help those few who really need it.



I love the fact that we remain, for the most part, a benevolent people.  Your comment reflects that kindness.  However, at times we are too generous IMHO and it's created a belief among many that facing hardship qualifies them for special treatment via governmental programs financed by everyone else. 

 

I've known many families who in fact, did suffer job losses or personal problems as you cite.  BTDT myself.  However, I've also noted that most worked their way through it by being reasonable in all their dealings. 

 

I've known others who are their own worst enemies and, because of their approach to issues, particularly personal finances, when life threw them a curve, they folded without even trying.  Their priorities were ass backwards and they just couldn't see that.  They could never seem to understand that they had some responsibility in the matter.  Instead, they had a "whoa is me" and "I deserve help" attitude. 

 

I've seen way too much of in the so called "housing crisis".  No acceptance of any responsibility.  It's evidenced all around my neighborhood and it many homes I tour via the foreclosures and short sales involved: "Gee, I can't make 30% per year on my house and I owe more than its' worth so the **bleep** bank will just have to take it if they can get me out." 

 

I work in government and see this attitude and behavior every day. In fact, we have many programs that encourage it by promoting a constituency of  "those who really need it" as you advocate.  It guarantees our jobs.

 

These behaviors and attitudes are not a deliberate evil - the "victims" aren't cheating per se or scamming the system necessarily - but many "victims" don't believe they have any responsibility and they are trained to expect that the rest of us should bail them out.  They won't take responsibility for themselves and they refuse to accept that there are no guarantees in life and one must plan accordingly. 

 

I believe that it would be in society's best interests if we at least demanded that they realize their own responsibility before we bail them out.  Instead, we continue to scatter bird seed about and wonder why the pigeon population is growing.  This latest proposal is more bird seed for the masses. 

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Marcus76
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Registered: 08-04-2010

Re: More handouts for irresponsible buyers

I don't get the point of helping people that are long-term unemployed keep their home.  It's really just delaying the inevitable.  If we're going to help people, then it should be helping people with jobs.  They actually have a chance to keep up with the mortgage payment if it's reduced.

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tjh
Posts: 977
Registered: 01-09-2010

Re: More handouts for irresponsible buyers

More on this very subject in today's news.  California has joined other states in a $25 billion "relief" program for underwater homeowners and those facing foreclosure. 

 

Pick your source and read all about it.

 

Don't even get me started.  Rewarding financial folly is folly in itself.

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Metalhead
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Registered: 12-20-2011
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Re: More handouts for irresponsible buyers

Even worse - banks are starting to "reward" short sales to  avoid foreclosure costs:

 

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2012/02/09/MNMS1N4S85.DTL&tsp=1

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norcalnative
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Registered: 05-04-2009

Re: More handouts for irresponsible buyers

The basic fallout from this new GOV push will be this. The Banks clearly no longer can loan money to high risk people knowing that if it fails they can recover losses by taking the property and selling it.

 

Hence now there is a very good reason based on GOV actions that NO BANK IN ITS right mind will or should loan money to risky loanee's given its been made clear by our GOV that it is no longer acceptable for banks to take a risk and then recover their losses by taking the property back.

 

The funny thing is all the people who think this is a great plan will soon find that they can't get a bank loan to save their lives given BANKS will have zero interest in taking that risk now. Nor should they have any interest in taking that risk on such a low interest long life loan to start with. Far better things to be putting money into for better returns.

 

This GOV move was strictly for politics nothing else.

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lexa
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Registered: 05-13-2009
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Re: More handouts for irresponsible buyers


norcalnative wrote:

Hence now there is a very good reason based on GOV actions that NO BANK IN ITS right mind will or should loan money to risky loanee's given its been made clear by our GOV that it is no longer acceptable for banks to take a risk and then recover their losses by taking the property back.


As long as banks are able to sell those mortgages to GSE, nothing would change...AS I understand currently if loan is fully underwritten, it is a certainty that GSE would buy it (at more or less known price).

 

GSE is the most of the loan market now, as long as they(GSE) don't change their ways, banks have litle to worry about.