topic Re: frameless glass wall/doors in Bay Area

frameless glass wall/doors

susanz — Tue, 10 Apr 2012 23:18:47 GMT

Do you know how much those frameless glass door costs in bay area? I plan to change my wall to frameless glass for the openness. Also are those glass walls going to increase my cooling/heating by a lot?

thanks

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SCGUY — Tue, 10 Apr 2012 23:57:02 GMT

thinking you might need to give a bit more detailed info

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susanz — Wed, 11 Apr 2012 01:25:26 GMT

Not sure what kind of info can make my question more clear.Let's say 8' height and 20' wide. 1/2 thickness.

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bld999 — Wed, 11 Apr 2012 02:09:35 GMT

Call up a commercial glass company. If I understand your request, you may also need to think in terms of the rest of the project, ie: demolition, considerable carpentry and threshold prep, structure to hold the roof up. etc.

This is Redfin, not an estimating service.

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sakidd12 — Wed, 11 Apr 2012 02:12:39 GMT

What's the purpose of a glass wall? why dont you just have no wall at all?

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toogood — Wed, 11 Apr 2012 02:49:56 GMT

thats the problem when you buy eichlers :) or small homes just for good schools :))

Thats right, why not just have no door

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susanz — Wed, 11 Apr 2012 02:51:22 GMT

I asked because I hope someone on this great forum has done it before and I can learn from his experience. :)

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elt1 — Wed, 11 Apr 2012 02:56:40 GMT

kevinzhu wrote:
Do you know how much those frameless glass door costs in bay area? I plan to change my wall to frameless glass for the openness. Also are those glass walls going to increase my cooling/heating by a lot?

thanks

I have a friend putting in a glass wall in a house in SF. The cost is $500k......the structural engineering alone was $12k....T -24 calcs, architectural design, foundation work, steel seismic frames, demo, the glass panels, carpentry, flashing, caulking....If you have to ask, you can't afford it....

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ptiemann — Wed, 11 Apr 2012 06:03:21 GMT

I am surprised that you can get this project permitted with today's building code.. there is a maximum % of a wall that can be glass. Unless you have an existing window of 8' height x 20' width. (I doubt that.)

Once you have the glass, you may want to look into tinting to keep the heat out.

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Furpants — Wed, 11 Apr 2012 15:33:28 GMT

I think what you are asking about is the folding door type of slider windows that are being shown a lot in magazines, where all the windows are on a track and they can all be pushed to the side. You would need to upgrade the support beam all along the wall and I think that would cost at least $10k to do an entire wall, plus the cost of those very expensive doors. Plus, you will end up having to rewire things, possibly redo the gutters and a bunch of other things will pop up that will cost a lot of $$.

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chepskate — Wed, 11 Apr 2012 21:38:13 GMT

Call a glass company who deals with frameless windows, and they'll give you good info. I have an eichler, and my windows are frameless. There is a glass company in bay area I am working with for replacements. The moderator would probably kill the post if I give a vendor name, but maybe I can code it: The name of the company is something something glass. That something something is the name of a city in bay area, and this city houses a very well known university generating lots of geeks. This city also has a pretty bad east side..

Call them, get their input on what it will take to convert.

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returningson — Wed, 11 Apr 2012 21:48:16 GMT

chepskate wrote:
Call a glass company who deals with frameless windows, and they'll give you good info. I have an eichler, and my windows are frameless. There is a glass company in bay area I am working with for replacements. The moderator would probably kill the post if I give a vendor name, but maybe I can code it: The name of the company is something something glass. That something something is the name of a city in bay area, and this city houses a very well known university generating lots of geeks. This city also has a pretty bad east side..

Call them, get their input on what it will take to convert.

I think calling it a "city" is a stretch. More like a hamlet.

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tjh — Wed, 11 Apr 2012 23:28:05 GMT

Title 24

http://www.energy.ca.gov/2008publications/CEC-400-2008-001/CEC-400-2008-001-CMF.PDF

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elt1 — Thu, 12 Apr 2012 00:34:16 GMT

What the OP hasn't made clear is what is his/her idea of a windowwall. A true windowwall is glass the length of the building..no visible headers or shearwalls--like commercial construction.. A typical wood frame house can not be adapted without major structural alterations. Title 24 energy issues can also add a lot of cost. You need an Architect/Engineer to determine if the job is even feasible.

If you just want frameless doors put into the existing structure you need to talk to a commercial glass company.

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tjh — Thu, 12 Apr 2012 00:38:15 GMT

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elt1 — Thu, 12 Apr 2012 00:59:22 GMT

The original Glass House by Philip Johnson http://www.google.com/search?q=the+glass+house+philip+johnson&hl=en&prmd=imvnso&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=KCiGT76lLeKViAK2r_CtDw&sqi=2&ved=0CFcQsAQ&biw=1582&bih=739

Even this most famous glass house has an exposed steel frame...it is not trully frameless

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bld999 — Thu, 12 Apr 2012 01:24:23 GMT

"Not sure what kind of info can make my question more clear." = priceless.

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SCGUY — Thu, 12 Apr 2012 01:26:36 GMT

chepskate wrote:
Call a glass company who deals with frameless windows, and they'll give you good info. I have an eichler, and my windows are frameless. There is a glass company in bay area I am working with for replacements. The moderator would probably kill the post if I give a vendor name, but maybe I can code it: The name of the company is something something glass. That something something is the name of a city in bay area, and this city houses a very well known university generating lots of geeks. This city also has a pretty bad east side..

Call them, get their input on what it will take to convert.

Or you could send the user a private message...just saying :smileywink:

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elt1 — Thu, 12 Apr 2012 01:40:00 GMT

The Philip Johnson house is priceless.. You can get this wannabe knock-off for maybe $20m. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704868604575433410650321600.html

Wait another year maybe it will be $10m http://www.zillow.com/blog/2011-10-12/house-of-the-week-montecitos-glass-pavilion/

Note that that the special glass cost $1m more than the std commercial grade.... I'm guessing the glass alone was several million dollars.

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bld999 — Thu, 12 Apr 2012 03:39:27 GMT

5 more years and Ikea will have a version of it. But that house will likely still be for sale.