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Xay - I like the logic of factoring reasonable appreciation into your offer price. The trick will be to pick the right base for the prior sales price. Picking the base as 2004 (if that's when it last sold) will be dramatically different than picking 2002. So you still need to factor in comps. I think another approach I use is the cash flow method to determine a base line. That is, given the particular rent a property can fetch and the all-in income after standard expenses, what purchase price does that imply at the available mortgage rate? Unfortunately most desirable areas fetch a premium over income-value, so you just have to figure out with what premium you are comfortable paying.

Zizza - is it possible that the property was underpriced at $426K? It looks like a corporate relo with Cartus (formerly Cendant, I believe). The new owners had the deed sent to a different address than the property address leading me to suspect investors/flippers. I searched in google for their names but couldn't find a good hit.
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04-02-2008 05:28 PM
 

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Venturion,
Re:  MLS 28054933   I went back to my file and see that the original list price was $419,950K and it was a corporate relo.  It went under contract very quickly, about 1-2 weeks.  I believe the house was fairly priced originally.   Given the neighborhood and square footage, it should have been (IMHO)  priced somewhere between 380-400K, but  the house is very nicely decorated and landscaped, so 420-425K was not out of line, but certainly not underpriced.  I am not interested in purchasing this property, but I have put it in my favorites list to see what happens next.  Maybe it is just waiting for someone to "fall in love with it." :smileyvery-happy: 
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04-02-2008 06:38 PM
 

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I am also very interested in RedFin's policy on this matter. I would assume that they would submit whatever offer we buyers bring to the table since we are the ones assuming the large loan to pay everyone involved.
 
There is an interesting thread over on raincityguide.com by a real estate lawyer named Craig who is recommending going without a real estate agent and submitting offers directly through an attorney. His concept is that you don't need a real estate agent to submit the legal contract, only a lawyer. Lawyers either charge a fixed fee or by the hour.. either of which is cheaper than a real estate agent.
 
It is an interesting concept that might be worth exploring.
 
With that said I absolutely love and am addicted to Redfin. The emailed updates on everything from new listings to priced adjustments to properties going into contingent status to the searches that draw a little red line around the specific area you are interested in while summing up the specific data selected which can then be downloaded to Excel. It is just completely awesome.
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04-03-2008 12:01 PM
 

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Ken - I think this is the blog or this blog you mention. I've advocated this approach numerous times.  The problem is that it typically requires the cooperation of the listing agent.  So unless your RE attorney is also a broker (in which case he is entitled to the buyer's agent commission), there is no obligation of behalf of the listing agent to give up the 3% typically reserved for the buyer's agent.... UNLESS, sellers read the front-page blog and pay attention to the listing contract!


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04-03-2008 01:55 PM
 

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From the blog post referenced:

>>What is the average amount of time a good listing agent invests in a listing? And, assuming a 1.5% commission to the agent (after the broker’s cut), what is the average fee? Given a median home price of $400k, the agent will make $6k. Assuming 50 hours of time, that’s $200 per hour.

Am I missing something here? A $6000 commission divided by 50 hours comes out to $120 per hour. Not that that's a bad fee, but it's not $200/hour.
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04-03-2008 02:22 PM
 

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I am also love and addicted to Redfin!

However, it's interesting that a lawyer offers a fixed price or per-hour fee for the RE transaction but the most realtors don't offer it (as far as I know but I'm inexperienced). Redfin offers the fixed price only for listing but not for buying home. Charging a fixed fee up front regardless of closing a deal or not or charging the regular commission (1%) at the time of closing makes a lot of sense to me, considering the risk of paying a fee up front. The amount of work/effort for negotiating a price and writing a contract for $200k or $1m home shouldn't be too different, not 5x the work for sure.

Again, I love Redfin but it's always nice to have an option!

Toshi
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04-03-2008 03:09 PM
 

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To eak and Lintoto:
 
Check out the thread "What do listing agents do?" from a couple of weeks ago. -- Denis
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04-03-2008 04:25 PM
 

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There's some common sense advice for recipients of lowball offers right here in Redfinland. Click on Sweet Digs below and then Seattle. -- Denis
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04-03-2008 11:20 PM
 

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This is great logic if you are not buying another home.  If you are buying another home, I wonder if you would have enough disposable cash for a down payment or if you could get approved for another loan?  If you do not have enough to put down at least 20%, you would be paying PMI or a higher second mortgage rate.  If could not get approved, then you are just out of luck.
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04-04-2008 08:19 AM
 

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We wanted to make an offer of $685K on a house which was listed at $745K. The average comps of the neighboorhood and recent sale data (685K, 710K - same sqfootage, same community - were the two sales in the last 6 months) were used to decide this number. When we tried to make the offer - I was told by a redfin representative that thier data shows that they are most effective when they are negotiating within 2 -5% of the asking price. Also they said most times they would expect the buyer to be willing to go higher - more like 3% away from the asking price. When we said we didnt want to go above we were told we have multiple options: 1) Make the offer ourselves 2) Go to a full commission agent - who then can spend more time going back and forth on the offer 3) Wait for the seller to drop the price
 
We like Redfin and thier model - but I think they should change thier policy on this. The market is bad and houses do drop 50K or more. They shouldnt care how far the offer is from the asking - they should evaluate what the market price of the house is and should be willing to make an offer if the price sounds right to them given all the data
 
 
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04-06-2008 05:12 PM
 

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