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schumonster
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Hi All,

I am a first time home buyer, and despite constant reading and research, I cannot seem to get a feel for the true economics of home ownership.
I keep looking at the "affordability calculators", the "tax benefit calculators" but I can't seem to wrap my head around the complete financial picture of home ownership. Where can I find advice that would give me a picture of the actual bottom line costs associated with this process? Is this something a CPA would help me with? A financial adviser? Who can objectively crunch the numbers based on my specific income and info and give me an idea of what makes the most economic sense for me?

Thanks in advance.
Kudos!
08-12-2008 05:10 PM

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I think you be the best judge for your self.
 
Create a spread sheet with this data
 
1. How much do you make per month ( Pre Tax and Post TAx)
2. How much is your monthly expense ( Include every dollar / Cent you spend)
3. What kind of house you want buy ( Price, Size)
4. WHat woudl be your cost monthly (PITI , HOA, Mell Roose & Maintenance)and also down payment  
5. How long doyou plan to keep the house
6. Calcuate when you will break even after all deductions and expected raise/fall in Real esatate prices.
7. How mcuh you want to save for emergency in addition to the above expences
8. What is your plan for the future.
 
and may be more, probably some else can add ...
 
 
 
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08-12-2008 07:54 PM
 

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Basically there are advantages of renting and advantages to owning, and you need to weigh them both to decide which is right for you.

As a renter, you get some benefits:
- no home maintenance costs
- cheap and easy to relocate
- no worries about taxes, etc. on the property
- less money tied up (you can move to a cheaper rental on relatively short notice if you have a major life change, such as if the primary money earner becomes disabled)

As an owner you get some benefits:
- can deduct the interest on your mortgage from your taxes (basically, this means you pay your mortgage mostly in pre-tax dollars; if you're in the 28% tax bracket, for example, and your mortgage is $2000 a month, for the first few years, it's mostly interest, you can can deduct nearly $2000/month from your taxes - that's $24,000 a year deducted which equals about $6000 in actual taxes paid - so you save $6000/year over paying $2000/month in rent).
- you can get money back out of the house when you sell, assuming the house has gone up in value. this means that unlike renting, at least some of the money is going to come back to you in the end.
- once the house is paid off (in 15, 30, 40 years depending on your mortgage) you have it free and clear - no more rent or mortgage ever!

As a renter you lose out on a few things - you don't ever get money back out of the rental, you can't deduct the expenses on your taxes, etc.

As an owner you may also incur additional costs over renting - home repair, mortgage insurance, property tax, additional home owner association dues or mello-roos (community taxes), etc. However, depending on these costs, they may be offset by the tax advantage.

For your specific situation, you should ask a tax professional (CPA, tax attorney, etc). However, as a rule of thumb, if your mortgage is the same or lower than your rent, it's a good idea. Once you get over rent, the amount over rent that makes sense to pay varies based on your tax bracket, the taxes and fees you must pay in addition to the mortgage, how much maintenance the house will need (fixer upper vs. in great shape) etc.

Finally, any big financial decision should be one with which you are emotionally as well as logically/financially comfortable. By this I mean that even if you are paying $2000/month in rent, if you're not comfortable paying more than $1500/month on a mortgage, then simply don't pay more than that - make a bigger down payment or get a less expensive home. Life is too short to stress every month over the mortgage payment.
Kudos!
08-12-2008 10:43 PM
 

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forget where this was originally posted, but you can try this for rent vs buy analysis (and add columns to the calculation as needed).
 
 
you can also try the NYT calculator linked off there, tis very slick.
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08-13-2008 09:53 AM
 

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I recommend following drhousingbubble.com articles. It's a great blog and he often crunches the numbers to help explain different things about the bubble, foreclosures, etc. For example:

http://www.doctorhousingbubble.com/the-foreclosure-story-what-does-the-process-look-like/

It's helped me understand some of the financial side of buying/maintaining a home.
Kudos!
08-13-2008 10:46 AM
 

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This post might help too:
http://blog.redfin.com/blog/2008/06/online_real_estate_tools_mini-hall_of_fame_home-buying_class_powerpoint.html
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08-13-2008 02:47 PM
 

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Always, always look at housing prices versus rental rates and versus wages.  Wages are connected to rents and rents to home prices....this is what the 2002-2007 housing bubble completely forget, just like it did in the late 80s/early 90s.  Home prices have risen so much more than rents and wages and now have to readjust back down to some normal ratio.  It's the same story as stock prices and earnings...we've seen this movie before during the tech bubble.  You should be able to find plenty of articles on the rent/wages and home prices subject.  UBS just recently wrote an article in this very subject with a high level of correlation between wages and home prices.  All of them point to real estate prices in LA being about 15-30% overvalued from the existing prices that they have fallen to.  UBS actually has a potential of 40% drop in LA from mid-2008 prices. The slow death back to reality will take some time as stubborn home sellers, thinking they somehow deserve a profit, slowly give into the reality of the market.  I would suggest you look at where home prices were in 2003-2004 and think of those prices as a starting point of "value" entry point for a home purchase in any area.
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The pure economics are easy. Real estate is a LEVERAGED investment and therefore a B list investment. If you put your house "down payment" money in a COMPOUNDED investment like a properly allocated index fund portfolio at Vanguard and add to it (when you can) while you continue to rent you will retire with A LOT more money. The economics of real estate are historically poor. If anyone tells you any different they are a liar or a fool or a real estate agent. With that said-

You only go around once and money is just green paper. If you find a place that you love, that you can afford, that you want to spend your life in and, most importantly, where you will be HAPPY then it is the best investment you will ever make regardless of the number crunching.

IMHO
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08-14-2008 06:20 PM
 

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Well put! Sometimes it's about MORE than just The Benjamins!
Jim
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08-14-2008 06:55 PM
 

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There are many unexpected costs of property ownership that home owners encounter after they are committed. Create an estimate of potential maintenance and repair costs, and be sure to consider landscaping as well, including tree trimming (see today's post on Los Angeles Sweet Digs for Glendale/Pasadena).
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