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schwarzwald
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Has anyone on here successfully closed a short sale?  I don't and haven't placed any offers on short sales but I found a house that just might change my mind...

I'm curious as to the process, the chances, and the timeframe. 

Kudos!
05-01-2009 04:05 PM
 

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Yes, I'd  be very interested as well.  We are being steered clear of them by our agent, but I have seen quite a few that I would want to make offers on.   I am very frustrated with the foreclosure inventory that is out there now, we have had 5 offers now rejected from being out bid...
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05-01-2009 06:15 PM
 

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I haven't closed on a short sale.  In the 90's downturn, they were a viable option and banks seemed to deal with them better.  

 

I have recently made an offer on  short sale, but my expectation level is fairly low.  Most of my knowledge is based on reading experiences online, talking with others, and from talking with my realtor.   There are some good posts on the forum with advice.  

 

I looked at half a dozen short sales and at least 3 of these were clearly just stall tactics from the owners.  One wanted someone to buy their house (and stick it to the bank of course), then rent back to them for three years, then give them an option to buy the house.  Yeah, and on Tuesday's I am the tooth fairy!  

 

One positive thing I have heard is that banks are starting to consider short sales and are acting faster.  Of course, that only means they are not taking 7 or 8 months, rather it can be down to 2 or 3 months to respond. Still a long time when the market is dropping 2% a month in some areas and at some price points.

Also, you can probably wait for some of these short sales to turn into foreclosures?  If your realtor is steering you away and you have the patience to play the game of short sale, you should probably interview other realtors who are willing to work with you over a longer period of time.

 

As for losing on bids - keep in mind, price is not the only factor considered by bank/reo sellers these days.  Be sure you are viable - like 20% down and decent credit and cash reserves available.  I have heard that they don't always choose the highest offer if its a 10 percenter or has iffy cash reserves or credit.  You should also convey all this information with your offer.  Again, just what I have picked up from friends, other realtors, and various threads.  I do know someone personally who was the "best" (not highest) offer out of over 10 on an REO.  They told him no one else had the solid financials and that helped him.

 

 

 

 

 

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05-01-2009 10:58 PM
 

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Hi - just my two cents here - we have avoided short sales for all the obvious reasons that many people on this forum have already discussed.

 

In the year that we have been looking and tracking homes we have noticed that if you have the time and patience to wait for the short sale to wend its' way thrugh the pipeline, it might 're-appear' as a foreclosure at an extremely reduced price.  Of course this is only for those who have the time, patience, and money to continue renting etc. and wait out the process. 

 

One home we looked at, began its' life as a short sale, the bank turned down someone's low ball offer (some friends of ours really wanted the house),  the house was then sent to an auction company with no results, and is now on the market as a foreclosure at 50K LESS than the initial short sale low ball offer that the bank had refused from our friends who have since moved on and purchased a home already!  As it sits now, the house has been lingering on the market, has been vandalized of all of its plumbing and electrical and now no one is very interested in it.  Strange, strange, 'selling' tactics indeed.

 

I very rarely hear about short sales closing but that just might be because they take so long that by the time they close no one remembers them even being on the market.

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05-02-2009 11:01 AM
 

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We've bid on 3 and not gotten any of them. We have excellent credit and very good financials. We are pre-approved. However, we are using a VA loan, and I have heard that some steer away from that, so who knows. I would be really interested to hear if anyone has had success with a short sale too. Honestly, the only reason we're bidding on them is b/c of the low inventory of houses where we're looking. Hopefully some of them will return as foreclosures. We can only hope. :smileyhappy:
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05-02-2009 05:17 PM
 

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I have also been steered away from short sales by my agent. She also has told me that banks really don't want to deal with VA loans. I'm going conventional, putting 20% down, have cash reserves, and am putting in higher than asking price offers and I'm still getting outbid. The inventory is so sparse that when a nice property becomes available people go crazy. I'm prepared to wait it out rather than pay 50k over asking. Those people paying way over asking now will probably be my neighbor in foreclosure later.
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05-02-2009 07:05 PM
 

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I think it may also relate to what level you are looking to buy in the market.  If you are buying at the level where "investors" are now grabbing knives from the REO dribble down approach (holding back inventory to induce demand while incentives are luring buyers back), then indeed you may be in a bidding environment similar to the REO world.  At the higher end, I suspect Banks may be more motivated to work out short sales because there is more downside to come at the higher end.  But that assumes the bank decision maker is rational.  And I still wonder if this isn't also about bank balance sheets.  A "non performing" loan can probably be valued higher than a total write off from foreclosure or short sale.  But eventually, they'll have to move this inventory.  Patience.
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05-03-2009 11:47 AM
 

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Yes, I agree with everything you said Boca - patience for sure. I'm just a regular person trying to buy a house and I obviously can't compete with the investors, the cash folks, or those willing to overpay so - patience.
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05-03-2009 03:54 PM
 

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Some good insight... I think many times shorts sales are stall tactics as well.  I personally know someone whose house is listed on MLS as a short sale but who has no intention or desire to actually sell it.  I guess it is better to wait it out.  Many will often end up as foreclosures, but it is frustrating when you see a house you really like.  Maybe I won't have to worry about it after all.  My wife and I put an offer on a beautiful house in Riverside and the bank has begun negotiations with us.  We offered 40K over asking price (which was ridiculously low, obviously to attract bidders) and after seeing over 200 REOs in over six months, frankly I would be glad to get this thing through escrow.
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05-03-2009 08:09 PM
 

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There was an interesting article in the newspaper recently about lenders adding a clause to the short sale contract that stipulates they have the right to come after the homeowner for any deficiency resulting from the short sale.  I suspect the banks were overrun by short sales requests after the tax liability for the homeowners was suspended and now they want to curb them in favor of loan modification or foreclosure.  Especially the latter, if the lenders subsidiary is acting as the Trustee and is making money foreclosing properties. 
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05-04-2009 05:59 PM
 

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