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Ok, I'll admit that this is more of a rant, but I feel like I need to vent. I decided in April that with the way home prices were going I might dabble in this home buying frenzy. Even though I'm a little young to be thinking about starting my nest egg (24), my income is decent and I have excellent credit. I figured it was "worth a shot."

Now it's almost the end of July, and I've put in a total of 7 offers so far. 6 of them were REOs and only 1 of them was a short sale. The strange part was, the only offer that was accepted by the lender was the short sale, but then he decided to foreclose on it anyways :smileysad: For my most recent offer, I placed an offer at listing price seeing that similar homes in the area were sold at the same price. It's been less than a week and my agent tells me there's already 12 offers on it.

I know homes prices are historically low. But my purchasing power ($240,000) leaves me at the lower range and it's too competitive. Now that interests rates are climbing and the Housing Bill is going to pass, I wonder if buying a house is even worth my time. Plus, with the media telling me how bad the housing market is, and people always telling me, "now's the time to buy!" It's hard not to become discouraged, bitter, and burned out.
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07-29-2008 12:05 PM

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Hi Paul,

I understand your frustration since I am in a similar situation. There is a lot of competition for foreclosures and REOs, and that will continue. I know that a lot of people are saying that now is the time to buy, but I think that will be true for years to come. In March, sub-prime loan resets peaked and by September they will be almost non-existent (falling from over $100 billion in March to less than $5 billion in September). But toxic option-ARM loans will not start to reset heavily until next April, so we will experience a whole new wave of foreclosures, etc. 60% of these loans were in the state of California, so we will get hit harder than the rest of the country. The one variable is interest rates on mortgages (which you pointed out). They could go up a lot as credit tightens and the Fed starts raising. Keep in mind that even when the Fed rate hit 5.25% last year a 30 year fixed never averaged more than 6.75%, so they don't necessarily move in tandem. My guess is that as the price of your home falls, your payments will probably stay the same or rise a little since rates will go higher. The question is whether you don't mind losing equity in the short term to get a cheaper loan. I am thinking that I will probably wait a year or two and get a lower price even though payments will be the same if not a little higher. I'm not saying this plan is for everyone since we will probably spend at least $60-70,000 in rent during that time, so I think you just need to decide what is best for you. Foreclosures are going to be in abundance for years, so don't worry about missing the boat there. If you are patient, you might be able to get a great deal.

One last thing is that residential real estate generally appreciates faster in times of high inflation. I think that this could happen, but it will be a delayed reaction since there is so much inventory to get rid of before that appreciation can begin. In other words, your future house will probably not jump up in price until after foreclosures and REOs are under control.

Good luck

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I'm in the same boat. Lots of education. Not that much money. I belong to a credit union that will give me a good ARM so the interest rate is low enough and will be low enough for the foreseeable future. But the houses are still not low enough. And a condo costs as much as a house, with the condo assoc fee thrown in. And I like to garden. So, I'm a hanging in here, searching and searching. If there were enough of us, we could go buy up all of one dubious area and make it great. But it's hard to do alone.
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07-29-2008 01:18 PM
 

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Nice comment. People say "now is right time to buy", but with no concrete evidence to support.

I also believe in your judgement.
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07-29-2008 02:19 PM
 

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Thanks jsteele! That is some good advice. I think I put a lot of pressure on myself thinking "If I don't get a place now, I'll never have the chance!" I'll just keep on chugging along and putting offers on places. It just sucks getting attached to one house I see and then having my offer rejected or ignored (hmm...this kind of sounds like my dating life :smileytongue:)
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Best of luck on everything. The market is frustratingly hard to predict, especially around the Bay Area, especially now. Even though I see prices generally dropping, I still suspect that there are a lot of people with money around here who *could* buy, but are just holding off.

The bottom line is that a home is the biggest thing you'll ever buy in your life, and with so much money (and so many years of your life paying it off) on the line, and no clue when to move or what's the best thing to do, it's easy to get worried or even obsessive about making the wrong move.

If the REO dance is wearing you out, however, you might want to see if there's any new construction in the area. There's no back and forth with new places; the price in the brochure is the price you'll pay. And builders, unlike most homeowners, can't just sit in their homes until the prices go up: they *have* to sell to pay their bills, so these days you can get a lot of free upgrades or discounted closing costs or other goodies. And if this first purchase is just to get your foot in the homeowning door, so you'll have more equity when you want to upgrade in 5-10 years, newer places have the added bonus of being easier to sell. (Just make to to mention Redfin as soon as you enter the office so they can represent you; builders want to avoid paying buyer's agent fees whenever possible!)

Oh, and while we may be between rate reset waves, actual foreclosures trail behind by 6 months to a year, and right now they're still coming in at record numbers. Don't worry about REO homes drying up; you still have plenty of time to take a look at those.

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Oh, and here's some unsolicited advice: it's NEVER too early to think about your nest egg. Sink all your spare money into real estate and *maybe* you'll get a 2% return after inflation, taxes and expenses. A stock index fund with some bonds thrown in (in an IRA if your employer doesn't offer a matching 401K) will probably be closer to 5%. That will be a BIG difference in 40 years.

I'll get off the soap box now.
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07-29-2008 04:14 PM
 

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Thanks Hibryd! Unfortunately new constructions in my area are still asking too much ($300k-$400k) and I doubt there's any plans in the near future to build anymore. You mentioned having a Redfin agent, would this be possible in an area where it says "Out of Service Area"? Judging by the quality of this site and the Redfin staff in the forums, I'd love to have a Redfin agent. I don't think that this is possible in Sonoma County...yet.
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Paul,
 
As much as we wish we could say yes to everyone in every area, we cannot support offers outside of our current service areas at this time. Here is a recent post by our West Coast Director, Dave Billings on the topic:
 
I'm afraid we need to hold the line on our service areas at this point, painful as that probably is. At the moment, given the high volume of the summer season, we've had to define our markets as they are to ensure we can provide the service we promise. Unfortunately, someone is always just "over the line". As we continue to grow, we expect to either service more areas, or develop other methods to help clients get the help they need.

I'm sorry we can't be of more assistance at this time.
 
We used to service Sonoma, Solano and Napa Counties, but scaled back our operations in Northern California about a year ago. We found we spread ourselves a bit thin, and as a company decided to serve the above areas amazingly well rather than 10 counties "pretty good".

We would love to be back in Sonoma County, and may be someday soon. Right now Redfin is focusing on growing our national presence rather than growing larger in established local markets.

Always a bridesmaid, never a bride. :-(

 

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