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dagolfpro
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Newbie here.  

 

I've tried to search this scenario and didn't find it.  Forgive me if this has been talked about before.

 

Our situation:

 

Made an offer on a short sale at $456,000.  Asking was $445,000.

 

Seller's Agent came back to us after a total of 3 bids were made and said we were the highest.  One bid was under asking, Second was at asking but FHA Loan.  Our's was highest (we planned on putting 20% down) by $11,000.  This is where it's new to me.

 

The Seller's Agent is concerned that the appraisal will not come in at $456,000 and at that point, unless we are willing to come up with the difference in cash, the bank will not accept it and we’ll have to start all over again from step 1.  In order to avoid that, the agent asked that we revise our offer, to asking.  

 

My questions is, should we lower our offer price to Asking @ $445,000, or is this a scam so we are not the highest offer anymore?

 

There is also a short sale negotiator working this deal as well.  Does that make a difference? 

 

Thank you in advance. 

Kudos!
11-07-2009 06:45 AM
 

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That sounds fishy to me.  With 20% down you are more likely to have the home appraise for what you offered, and it's not like you're $50K over asking.  Also, if appraisal does come back for less, my experience is the bank will make a concession.  If it appraises for $445K, that becomes the ceiling of what the bank can expect to get for the house.  I have been through several of these, and in each case the bank has agreed to lower the price to the appraised value.  I'd stick with your current offer.
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11-07-2009 08:31 AM
 

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Why would the down payment have any affect on the appraised value? 
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11-07-2009 08:44 AM
 

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We had this exact experience w/ a short sale we put in an offer for 4 months ago. We just entered escrow this week. First we offered $25K above asking after carefully researchiung comps in the area, and looking at many properties. We were quite confident it was worth that plus we really wanted to ensure we got the home.  The sellers agent came to us and said our offer was much higher than we needed and our agent said it likely wouldn't appraise at our offer. So we ended up lowering our offer by $20K to only $5K above asking. When we got the news that they were ready to move on the deal, the short sale negotiator for the seller's bank did the BPO and it came in at $35K HIGHER than what the listing price was ($30K higher than our offer). After going back and forth for a few weeks, we ended up settling w/ $30K above listing price, which was only $5K more than what we originally wanted to offer. Our agent told us if it didn't appraise we would just come back to the bank and they'd likely take close to the price it appraised for. The appraisel ended up exactly at $30K above listing so that's where we stayed!  I wondered if we had gone w/ our original offer of $25K above listing if negotiator for the bank would have just stuck w/ that price as it was obviously real close to the value based on the comps. Of course it's the comps that mostly determine market value in the end and w/ a short sale that could change a lot between the time you make your offer and the time they finally start to move on the deal.

 

In your situation, if you go w/ the lower offer, are you sure the listing agent won't continue to accept more offers? The house will be listed "contingent show" and you may not want to risk more offers coming in higher than yours if you really want the house. Most of all I'd reasearch what the comps are in the area now, and if prices in the neighborhood are in a pattern of rising, stability, or decreasing. Then consider the amount of time you estimate it will take before the bank is going to be ready to make the deal, remembering that if values are going up the home could go up in value between now and then and the negotiator will be looking at the value of the home at the time the deal is done, not the time you made the offer.  If you offer too high and it appraises lower you can try and negotiate. But if you offer too low and the BPO comes in higher then you may have to go through days or weeks of negotiations, slowing down the process. It really depends on how quickly you want the process to move, how badly you want the house, and what the true market value is on the home.

 

Good luck! 

Kudos!
11-07-2009 09:22 AM
 

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We had this experience with the REO we purchased.  They said we could have it if we lowered our offer.  
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11-07-2009 10:19 AM
 

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This is becoming more and more the norm.

 

If you are concerned that you might lose the property, cut your offer by 1/2 of the suggested amount. The appraisal may still come in lower. Most, but not all, SS and REO offers that have low appraisals will lower the price to market. This way you still get the house with the highest offer with a possible additional reduction in price depending on the appraisal.

 

Thanks for reading,

 

LoansbyJW

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11-07-2009 11:26 AM
 

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Why would the down payment have any affect on the appraised value? 
Great question!  It shouldn't, right?  But it does.  Why?  Because the appraiser sees the contract before doing the appraisal.  If the buyer puts 20% or more down, the bank has a lot less risk of the buyer walking away from house - the bank is only in it for 80% of its value.  If the buyer overpaid by 5%, the bank is still only in it for 85% of its value.  Contrast that to a 95% loan.  There is a much greater likelihood of this buyer getting underwater, and if the market goes down at all the bank is stuck taking a big loss, and guess who takes the heat?  The appraiser.  So on a 95% loan the appraiser has to be more careful in making sure the value is there. 
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11-07-2009 12:12 PM
 

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Isn't it possible to make an offer that states something like 256K or x over best appraisal (if the appraisal comes in at less than 256K)? Seems like it would cover both bases.
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11-07-2009 08:10 PM
 

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Sidewalk, you're describing the thought process of the underwriter, not the appraiser.

The underwriter decides whether or not to approve the loan, based on a combination of factors including the appraised value (determined by an appraiser, based on comps and the condition of the home), the % downpayment, the borrower's income and assets and credit rating, etc.

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11-11-2009 03:34 PM
 

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Thank you everyone for the responses.  

 

We also asked around and was told that this is normal.  My fear was that the listing agent was still going to accept other offers and ours would be outbid, but was told that new offers will be backup offers and since we were the highest during the first round, we would have priority.  Now, we don't know if it will matter or if this is true or not.  I guess we'll find out soon.  Hopefully sooner then later...

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11-11-2009 04:11 PM
 

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